Previously I had played spaceflight simulation games with a single stick and throttle, which is known as a hands-on-throttle-and-stick (HOTAS) setup. Price isn't the issue as much as quality for me. Between the WarBRD and Gunfighter options it really seems to come down to personal preference and I'll never know without putting my hands on each. Also the virpil stick might cost more as i have read that somepeople buying it in Australia have had to pay GST (tax) on it. https://1drv.ms/p/s!AuHD2NL7qn3w3gxZVfByQOacohmx?e=RhWkjj. Logitech, Thrustmaster, and many of the big name manufacturers are out of stock everywhere you look. Don't use the Windows or any third party stuff. What do you mean by splitting axes? Explaining the difference is difficult to do with words. 12V/7.5A. While the input devices alone are excellent, Virpil also has a line of surprisingly affordable custom mounting solutions. A weekly roundup of the best things from Polygon, By submitting your email, you agree to our, Theres a new challenger in the world of flight sticks and throttles, Sign up for the VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. Please note you will lose the axis on the brake lever that comes with the Virpil grip, as the Warthog grip only supports button press on that lever. It has about twice as many buttons as Microsoft Windows recognizes on a game controller, which means youll need to take some extra time to get it tuned before you hop into a game. Starting to wonder about the all-metal construction with that new ultimate grip, and maybe investing in a heavier duty base. You'll see I haven't even mapped the 2nd choice analog features of the top MCG hat on the right hand, ran out of needalso have some repeats left and right in case I get confused in heat of moment. I mostly play Elite Dangerous in VR and they have been fantastic for this with so many buttons and axis. Not sure where you're concerned about 'number of buttons' available with VKB though. Just wish they would have shipped with more replacement parts if they're so prone to breaking under regular usage. WarBRD with more throw has some difficulties for center this heavy grip. VKB vs Thrustmaster T16000M Ken Cikas 1.4K subscribers Subscribe 20K views 3 years ago Put about 170 hours into Elite Dangerous and this T16000M from Thrustmaster is about done so I. Very close to the real thing (comparing it to C-130J and A400M controls). I received it in just over 4 weeks too, just a day before Christmas! Theyre also beautifully powder coated, and come with all the bolts you need to make the attachment to the Constellation. Thanks, Ill take your advise. In all honesty, I am leaning toward the virpil stick, but what I want to know is are their hidden pros or cons to each stick that I should know about and is the additional ~$80US for Virpil (and the wait) worth it over the VKB? Same would be true with the Gunfighter. I found a couple of programs like this but some of them are no longer . So vkb is not the first/only. I've had 2 springs snap, which has pretty much taken my left stick out of commission (I've heard the NXTs actually ship with replacements -- mine didn't). When you run the Virpil Joystick tester, do all the analog axes and button inputs show up? If youre playing a more hardcore flight simulator, like something from the DCS World portfolio, you probably already know about VKB. Its also mostly plastic, but in a good way. So, just to make sure I have this strait, MCG is the 'Modern Combat' Gunfighter stick and the Kosmosima is the 'Space Combat' edition of the gunfighter? They have adopted the Thrustmaster Warthog connector and improved it while staying backwards compatible. For around $70 you can get the Virpil Desk Mount V3-S. Try contacting vkb about the broken parts, depending on how old your stick is, I've seen people post on here that they just sent them a bunch of parts to repair failed items. I intend to do mostly spaceflight sims with the stick(s). However, worse was that ED (and Il-2 and DCS) now do not recognize any of the axes on the throttle. Initially it was all a bit daunting but after a fair bit of reading various threads this is where I'm at A bit about my requirements - Got to be desktop based. > Q&A Swapping out the throttle for another stick meant that I had to constantly hold the left-hand stick forward to maintain forward thrust. Either way, in terms of quality and build at least it seems like a toss up. HOTAS (hands on throttle and sticks) You basically have the exact situation as me, except that I am using detachable desktop mounts to put the stick and throttle at a better hight for my arms, which I can then move them out of the way after play, like you had to. 1 - does anyone have both of these setups and can tell me what they prefer? Probably a little bit of a chore to swap them out. All rights reserved. Valve Corporation. I use one from Wavlink and have 7 devices plugged into it with no problems, including a Virpil joystick, a VKB joystick and a Virpil throttle. 03.03.20|The sheets for the ALPHA-grips have been updated (the dual-push for the scroll encoder has been added and there was a problem with duplicating entries). Somebody has also made some printable maps so that you can record what and where you have settings. First, the documentation on these products ranges from awful to non-existent. It took me 6 months before I could get my order in for the Alpha. The feel and build quality is like nothing else. With those limitations in mind, I still cant help but recommend Virpil. VKB offers an adapter that has to replace the stock connector/pinout in the grip. Oops. Virpil has its own configuration and testing. I do find VKB to do much nicer and cleaner internal work which matters if or when you have to open up your grip. I have a VKB stick/pedals and a Virpil throttle, and I feel that VKB hardware is higher quality overall (mostly due to the electronics/internals). Jmo I can't speak for Virpil's interiors but I've been inside the grip on my VKB and the way they use independent little boards with pin receptacles to link things together on the Kosmo Premium is amazing, and would be very easy to obtain parts for repair if only one control were to fail for any reason. Outline:0:00 - First impressio. Bring from the UK, shipping was not too bad with about a week to wait after dispatch. What little product is actually available even used equipment is going for wildly inflated prices. Oh, and to actually answer your question: both the virpil constellation and vkb kosmosima are fantastic. For more information, please see our Looking at grips VKB and Virpil are more similar and it feels like preference is mostly related to hand size and just what each person prefers. The products are engineered solid and no-bullshit. It may show you something you did wrong. I've spent the last couple of days researching all this so here is my thought process which may also help with your decision. TL;DR: worth waiting and paying for Virpil over VKB if I'm leaning Virpil and want as many fingertip buttons as possible? If you fly helos, you will fall in love with this. Better still, the Constellations side-mounted thumbsticks mean that you can actually navigate on foot without ever taking your hands off the joysticks. That means you can easily arrange for a much more complex dual-stick set-up. Been rocking dual gladiator Ks for a while now (they have been discontinued and replaced with the NXT) but just recently, with just under about 6 months of use I've been having a few small things breaking. Question on the VKB customization software? That's weird because normally a USB 3 controller can supposedly support up to 127 devices. Will cost me less money since I can just plug in my Warthog without having to buy that $50 adapter from VKB. I have a good comparison of VKB and Virpil looking at the Modern Combat Grip (Their other premium grip, recently being re-released in an all-metal build) and the Constellation-Alpha, and they perform nearly identical in my opinion.. My personal experience with VKB's Kosmosima grip (the grip that comes in their MK3 space combat edition package) is very negative. 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There are some there. in Elite I set one hat to move pips to weaps / sys / eng, 4th position being the 'reset', but I can also long press in the 'weap' direction to activate a macro that 'resets' and quickly bumps to my preferred overall 'fighting' weap-sys distribution, or same thing in the 'engine' direction quickly gets me to run-away distribution. I know that the performance will be better but if you have done a similar upgrade let me know your thoughts. Lastly if you have any thoughts please let me know as i know for some spending this kind of money is easy but for its hard for me as now that i have a young family money isnt just failing out of my wallet and i want to make the right purchase as i can barely afford to do it once. This alone has made me settle on getting the Virpil base. VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. I'm not an expert by any stretch, I only intend to use this for Elite Dangerous. I plan on positing a review of the mcg ultimate once I receive it (should be getting it later this week hopefully) if you're curious. The ideal base for Warthog - a heavy(~1KG) grip plus extension is T50CM2. I want to choose the best one for nice grip and feel, reaching buttons with s/med hands, good button placement, usability with Elite and SC, easy twisting for yaw and good centring with no drift. I can say you really can go wrong either way you go. But, if youre looking to spend a relatively modest amount of money on a more general purpose device something that might work with terrestrial and space flight I recommend you take a look at Virpil Controls, a small European company that is doing some really remarkable work. newsletter. Perhaps toe break tension as well. Note that youll need two of the Desk Mount V3-S devices for a HOSAS solution using the Virpil Constellation sticks, which brings the price of accessories up to $140. In this review, we'll take a closer look at Virpil's MongoosT-50CM2 throttle, comparing it with the popular Thrustmaster TWCS. It's easy! It features a dead-simple clamp with an adjustable bite, which you can dial in to firmly grasp the edge of your desk surface and hold fast. My advice, of course, is to give the scalpers a wide berth. The non-marking pads on the mounting hardware, for instance, began to slide off after several weeks of continuous use. 04.08.20|The sheet for the Throttle has been updated (a button was missing). To learn more or opt-out, read our Cookie Policy. But now Im able to use the two sticks twist axes to handle strafing (right) and moving up and down (left). I also built a button box arrangement into my chair power controls (seat adjust, subwoofer, surround shoulder speakers, cooling) and find I almost never let go of the sticks to USE the button box. Still other manufacturers are taking pre-orders, and then banging out new units as quickly as they can. VKB keep iterating through new revisions of their products, sometimes breaking backwards compatibility. > Sales i use a steam controller and nothing else mostly unless i need a hotkey for certain things on the keyboard. I'm in a similar boat to you. Cookie Notice All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. What I've put together is a bit of how I use. The VKB base has some nice features the Virpil base doesn't have (dampers) and overall just rates a bit higher in terms of quality/performance. Both the MCG (right hand only) grip and Kosmosima Premium (left or right) have plenty. Its unique to you. A lot cheaper and for someone that isn't hardcore into tons of flying will be more than sufficient. Second, know that the current incarnation of the Virpil throttle box may simply be too much for most users. Please enter a valid email and try again. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. Whoa wait, you're saying on the ultimate you don't need to take apart the case to change from mini joystick to 4 way hat? I use Joystick gremlin, so elite can see all the buttons on the throttle. Both companies use high quality metal gimbals and contactless sensors for axes. This applies to the connector between grip and base. The VKB is slightly more refined whilst the Virpil is heavier duty. > Tutorials and everything HOTAS related. It feels more robust than the Logitech X-52 and X-56, but lighter than the all-metal Thrustmaster Warthog. As I said before I dont think you can go wrong either way though. You must log in or register to reply here. Thank you for all the suggestions. Where as the constellation/kosmosima grips where designed with twisting in mind. If you have the budget for it, I'd say wait a week to see some reviews for the MCG Ultimate. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. What it really comes down to is whether you plan to use the twist. Using a Virpil HOTAS in Elite Dangerous Ken Cikas 1.25K subscribers Subscribe 61 Share 7.4K views 2 years ago Finally got around to editing this down. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. I love both sets but have settled on an MCG Gunfighter with T-rudders and the Virpil throttle. Can't speak for Virpil as I've got VKB, so disclosure, obviously this is possibly biased opinion. I think that there's a good chance that the Gunfighter + mcg ultimate will take the spot as best consumer joystick on the market. The impact was especially prominent in Star Citizen, which has much faster ships and far more aggressive combat. Has a learning curve for sure, but I wholly recommend Virpil. - Virpil WARbrd vs VKB: WARbrd base has movement range of +/-22 degrees, where as the VKB bases have +/-15 degrees. If I had to choose one it would be an Alpha L or R whichever was needed, and as a pair Virpil arguably makes the best HOSAS you can get. Maybe you should check out youtube and see the posts about how to do the setup. If that checks out, Elite should see all the analog axes and some of the buttons. It works perfectly with all buttons. September 8, 2019 in Hardware, Software and Controllers. They needed a bolt tightening inside to get rid of the wobble. sorry don't own one but a here's a something you may like to try first. Take my advice - before starting, enter into the map all the switch and button numbers from the Virpil test program because when you look in the ED keybindings, that's what will show. There are all sorts of advice guides on how to optimise your chances. Did you a manage to get your bindings for Elite dangerous ? The game to get one is better than playing ED. There's only so much your thumb can roam around and do. So I accidentally broke my TM Warthog yesterday, not a fun experience. I will be using it for flight sims mainly dcs in modern jets f14, f18 and i will have it centre mounted in a simpit. ED doesn't 'see' any controllers using the bindings files, check whether you can actuallly bind any of the controls to an action and then create your own bindings file. Right? Hey rick, yeah you will want to use Joy Gremlin or Universal Control Remapper alongside vjoy. Initially I'm after a stick and will continue to use my X55 throttle, eventually I'll replace my throttle or possibly go 2 sticks. (The Alpha-R is on backorder along with the MongoosT-50CM2 grip as well). I will be using the TM Warthog grip with a stickextension, so if anyone happens to run a similar setup on either the VKB or Virpil yourthoughts will be greatly appreciated. If so, how and what programs? But, by pulling back on that stick I had easy access to reverse thrust, which makes slowing down and changing directions in space a lot snappier. If not, then you've configured the device incorrectly. I dont care about cost or desk mounting height or which is the better company or customer service . I have an in-depth write up here. For using the Warthog grip, the easier to work with would be the Virpil base, as it uses the same pinout/connections. Me personally I plan to upgrade to mcg ultimate with the gf mkIII base from vkb, when they come out for people who dont already have gf base in February. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Im looking at either going the virpil mongoos T-50 CM2 base with the mongoos T-50 CM2 grip or constellation alpha grip with the 200mm S curve extension for 554.81 euro (905.89 aud) (includes shipping). This unique state of art device is already out of "development" phase, and is currently entering "preparation for serial production". Also, I did notice some defective materials in the batch of products that I received. I've gone back to a single, non-split profile, still nada on any of the three axes . You are using an out of date browser. I would think it should be enough. While the input devices alone are excellent, Virpil also has a line of surprisingly affordable custom mounting solutions. It will simply store your configuation under "custom". Virpil is a more competitive option if you want to use TM grips out of the box (but you could just buy a VKB adapter and do the same or a WinWing base). Gladiator is out of stock in Europe, Virpil say there is a back order on their stuff. Warthog grip and you are good to go. I have both and for me the VKB just wins out. I don't predict it being a huge game changer, but it's kinda the first time we've had an all metal grip in a high end joystick. Vectors which had previously been relegated to the keyboard or tiny hat switches were now integrated into the joysticks themselves. Unless you know where they are on the sticks, it'll be very confusing. What 'limit' are you talking about? I'd pass on the NXT if your budget allows for something with cams. The MCG Pro also has the brake axis and technically the flip-up trigger is ALSO an axis although more often used as a couple of different buttons. 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