Its a lot of money but I think when I start shooting the Talon SS I will be glad I bought it. If I were smart, Id toss them into the lead pot the next time I cast bullets. Again, assuming an equal level of accuracy and shot placement, what is more effective the higher FPE of the .177, or the larger smack/wound channel of the lower FPE .22? The Bug Buster is 4 power, the Bug Buster 2 is 6. My top pick with your budget is Beemans HW30. Then i moved my hand up towards the muzzle of the gun, and my group sizes shrank by half! Also, money isnt really an issue here, Im willing to pay a little more for better quality. How do I grip and pump this thing properly? air compressor, or dive shop tank? Maybe it drops off more noticeably when you get it into the 10-14 pump range? You can install red dot sights and scopes as well, but for that you also need to buy the Crosman B272 4-piece Intermount to serve as a base for the dot sight or scope mounts. I dont know the names of the parts but the scew from the b-square attachment kit and the part you screw it into on the beji are both shaved really bad. There are no videos on how to do this, as it has only been done a few times. This gun has a lot of potential to become your favorite gun for hours of fun with target shooting. They are all very nice guns and are accurate enough to pot a cottontail rabbit at 35 yards with open sights. Privacy Policy | Al it takes is one pump before you will know why I feel that way. thanks for the replies. How loud is the 392? If so, its your best bet. 23. Thank you very much for your time.-Robert. i also wanted to know how to get the free shipping. Thanks a lot for your advice.-Steve from MA. That makes it generally unsuitable for scope mounting. Here are my last questions. Customer Reviews, including Product Star Ratings help customers to learn more about the product and decide whether it is the right product for them. Besides, it also has lots ofknockdown power to finish an animal in one clean shot. You dont need to apologise. She should be able to handle four or five pumps as well. Lets make haste slowly, so you get what you want on the first go-round. Secondly, the pumping action is really hard and is not suitable for a person with weak arms. Dont forget to use Weaver rings. And of course, holding the muzzle out and away from me. Id like to find a reseal kit for this and return it to shooting condition, as it was given to me some years ago as the most innacurate air gun Ive ever shot no wonder this, as he was firing .177 pellets in it. Thanks alot thats a relief i thought it was broken their for a second thanks bb. Whats your take on these Germans? It has started to get smoother. Believe it or not, it is easier to hit a 3-inch target than to group in three inches. I currently have a tube of webly scott weblube. 888-262-4867. Should I have a flat piece of plastic with a hole in it? I want need the light gathering 50mm objective of the BSA so I guess its between the bug buster and the 3X9 leapers. 6) Confusing, isnt it? Perhaps more importantly on, on the subject of pellet selection, how would you rank the following pellets to be able to hit a chucks skull and penetrate when it does: gamo hunter, gamo masterpoint, crosman premier, JSB exact express, JSB exact jumbo, B&S Diablo, Beeman Kodiak? This is one great gun built to. 2, this is a major flaw. I would think that theyd be approximately the same given that they are both intended for air rifles. We do NOT and can NOT ship airguns or bb guns to New York City and its boroughs (Manhattan, Brooklyn, Bronx, Queens, Staten Island, these zip codes are: 100xx-104xx, 110xx, 112xx-114xx, 116xx), the city of Philadelphia, PA and Washington DC. The black paint on the barrel and receiver is uneven and in some places looks like it had been hastily spot painted. Thanks BB, you have been very helpful. Fiction Writing. 612.1 FPS and 11.9 FPE with Crosman 14.3 grains pointed hunting pellet. Yes hitting low. Would these work, then?https://www.pyramydair.com/product/b-square-20054-1-sport-utility-rings-weaver-dovetail?a=432, And BTW, B.B. Your rifle should never be pumped more than 10 strokes. He will restore airguns to operational specs, but he wont increase power in guns beyond the factory levels. I am considering, based on your posts, the 22SG, 392 or the blue/silver streak. Would I be able to keep the Talon charged? should i send it in to the company for repair? Also the threads in the mount mounting holes didnt hold up.I really had my heart set on putting that bug buster on it and pumping it with the scope wasnt too bad so Im gonna try the crossman intermount before giving up on it entirely. Those pellets with polymer tips are not as accurate as the pellets I keeps mentioning the JSB Exact domed and the Beeman Kodiak. Thanks in advance for your response and all your informative posts. I understand why you state that your opposition to mounting these rifles because of the pumping issue, but Ive come up with a suggestion that my help others out. would crosman premiers be accurate with the shadow? This model was marketed under the Benjamin name from 1994-1998. Lightweight at 5.5-pounds for easy carrying afield. Hard Air Magazine Online Privacy Statement, Making The Guinness World Record Longest Air Rifle Shot. Probably to guide your purchase. It doesnt have much velocity like the.177 pellet but it is more stable on the way toward the target. BB, I followed the mounting instructions for the scope and still hitting 6 below target. I am a happier man since I discovered pyramydair and your blog. B.B. Thanks, John. Usually for a review I shoot for a while then just add to my collection, but I can imagine using this rifle on a regular basis for hunting and pest control. When you finish shooting be sure and store your 392 with a couple of pumps of air in it. I guess I was thinking backwards in regards to the scope tilt. If you do it yourself you learn more about yourself and the gun you are using. I had a little bit of a problem when i mounted it on the shadow 1000. I received a 0.22 Cal Benjamin Model 342 (predecessor to the 392???) BB-Now I know that you think scopes are a bad idea on multipumps because they get in the way during pumping. The tension loosens as the elevation is lowered. would it even work with airguns? I pulled my old, old Crosman model 1 out of the attic and got re-addicted to pellet guns before it lost compression (in the rear seal, not the pump arm seal. walmart (which is bout 15 miles from me) sells the shadows (but at lower quality to save price i would think). Im considering returning the diasy and exchanging it for a blue streak or a 392. At close range (under 20 yards) they are fine, but I would use a diabolo at longer ranges. I was shooting my 392 a couple days back, and i decided to try holding the gun different ways to see how it affected accuracy. I never liked scopes on multi pump pneumatics. If there is no significant difference in accuracy is there anything else I should consider (target knockdown power, etc) when making this choice? I guess you can tell Im a big fan of this air rifle! You can access, and become a part of, this current discussion by going to the most current article that B.B. These guns are made the same every time, so I cant believe that just one cant be sighted in. Moreover, hardwood can be refinished easily at any time so it has a very long lifespan. But most of the time I shoot standing on back patio five yards back,.hang with me BB, Im going somewhere with this ok. With a couple of cement blocks and a 44 of western cedar, I line up four water filled aluminum cans 6 apart, with those little bright orange stickers you see in the produce section at the grocery store, slapped right in the middle of them. Shooting bad pellets is a waste of time because it doesnt get you all the sport has to offer. I tried to mount the bsa 3-12 x44 scope but the rear piece of the sights that are installed on the benjamin will get in the wayand wont allow it to sit correctly on the front ring. Pyramyd Air provides it as a service to their customers, but Crosman will not recognize it. Pyramyd also shows that this mount is for the Benjamin rifles. Or should I try out the Crosman 800x? It tops out at 850 f.p.s. I have heard good things about the RWS 94. Any thoughts or tips would be appreciated. The Benjamin is made for roughing it, rather than just for sport. Later I bought a 392. On another note, do you happen to know what the original velocity was for the german made tell II air pistols, made back in the 20s or 30s? When they are tightened too much, they pop the barrel loose. Thanks for you help.-Al. Once you have written what you hope to find, place your cursor over the SEARCH butto and click once. I like the 22SG a lot, but it does not equal the fit and finish of any of the three other guns. They dont seem to be made for that, do they? Take care. Now I do have a question for you. I realize there may be other inefficiencies besides the light pellet. You sure do like to prepare for the worst. I did a web search, and found your web site, among others. But they do ship fast, so the price doesnt seem high to me, its just that thats ten more bucks I have to come up with. The Benjamin 392 is a bit hard to pump, it needs better coating on the barrel, and the iron sights are useless, but otherwise this is one of the finer rifles I have had the pleasure of owning. my rear sight is missing and i think it would be good just to have in case. I like the finish on the silver streak but the 20 cal pellets arent locally available so thats a bit of a limitation. This gun uses compressed air to cause damaging shots, so . Being a .22, you dont have to pump it 8 times for pest control. That means they should be very good. GENLTLY tap the end of the screwdriver with a hammer forward (towards the front sight) about 5 times. It would be cheaper to eliminate this swelling, but they keep it because it makes pumping easier. As I recall, you have parents. The last time she appealed to my basic caveman nature, I went out and bought a bigger sailboat. At the first glance, the product images tell us that it has the same handsome, classic look. Were they discontinued in wood stock form? Call Pyramyd Air and ask Boris if he has a kit for you. Do you just store them away for accuracy tests in later guns? Just sent a detailed blog, and because I cant do the verification BS, Its lost in where ever, and Really exaspirating too!! As for the Benjamin spring gun, I like multi-pumps better in this price range. So for all the joints, Id suggest a common household oil. I enjoy long range plinking, i.e. Its sealed by an O-ring. The entire top of the gun is one long rail, so yes, just get rings with 11mm clamps on their bases. thank you so much. Shoot them off the rail (still get a kick out of it)and study the pattern of impact on each can; high, low, left, or right etc. Benjamin 392 Pumper Efficiency Mods - YouTube 0:00 / 22:33 Benjamin 392 Pumper Efficiency Mods 8,232 views May 20, 2016 107 Dislike Share Save Possum Living 23.9K subscribers How to shoot the. I would only really use the 8.5g ones for hunting once in awhile because of their increased veloicity and penetration. BB, this my last question I promise. Hello there i have the older model 880 the cast version tells you how old it is one of the first 880s on the market.I believe. Its $140 when its not on sale, so what do u think I want the benjamin 392, but is it worth it to get this? Merry Christmas. By the way, .20 caliber guns are in jeopardy for the same reason. Im not gettin desperate, but a .22 rifle just is too dangerous to casually shoot around the house, and that means my shotgun is out of the question. , Copyright 1999-2022 Pyramyd Air. I am hoping that I get great results with these pellets and I hope to find the best to use with my air rifle out of these 3. I had to keep aligning it. I dont want to put that much into it. The Blue Streak and 392 are very equivalent. i am having a very difficult time sighting the gun in. I believ he does. My 392 model is equipt with the Air-Venturi mount system (over the bolt) with the same model BSA scope. Heres something, the barrel of my 392 had black paint in the end that I removed with q-tips and nail polish remover ok Ive got plenty of time on my hands. The 20 would shoot an almost as heavy pellet at the same velocity which would penetrate better but the 22 I would think would have more impact. Ill try today again maybe, and see what else I can find out. i live in hawaii so if i bought one from air pyramid it would cost $175.00 total. This is currently. The rifle may be more accurate. Ten to 20 yards is a toughie, because of the parallax between the sights and bore. Pellgunoil isnt a good lubricant. I sight in for 20 yards, then learn how much to hold under when the target is closer. A very comfortable rifle to handle. Thomas, BB, OK heres an indepth description of the problem. The only replacement sight will be a peep, or a used rear sight. 637 FPSwith Crosman Premier 14.3 grains pellet. Youre the man and I want your job.-Steve. I think Ill use screws and include adjustable sights. Recently I sighted in my benjamin for 15 yards. I would rather have the Webley XOCET for the larger animals but am afraid I cannot pump the action. I find this slightly awkward when working the pump handle and taking aim (just when I settle in with a good sight picture, the stock moves and I have to reacquire.) I adjusted the stop-screw up, and that helped out a good bit. Just read through your blog after the 397 was recommended by a store. But you might miss the brain, so be prepared for follow-up shots. Im a kid and I want some power! I know what to order now. Which intermount is better for this rifle, the B-Square or the Air Venturi? Can you send me an internet link to show how to repair this gun with the pyramid kits? It can take down a larger prey easily. Ill be in touch later. Works great and quiets the slapping sound/impact on the barrel a good bit. I sat on my stairs and rested my elbow on my knee. . If you keep turning them, they will eventually wear out. How many rounds does it take to break a rifle like this in? By the way, my own credit card info was stolen and used to by jewelry in Japan, so I know how your parents feel. You cut and paste them! should i get it? After mounting a brand new BSA 3-9 x 40 red dot scope on a B-Square intermount with Weaver rings, I found that I am consistantly shooting high. If the accuracy is as respectable as my Gamo Shadow 1000, thats fine. Loosely holding got me 3 and 13/16 inches (average 3 and 15/16 inches). The peep sight used to be a very simple affait to install. I dont know that there is a typical sight-in distance for open sights, but here is what I do. This is the second time I have answered this question and the third time you have asked it. I did take my old 98 model 397 to an authorized service center to be checked out. I guess the answer is no. My tax refund, going to stimulate the economy. BB, Well whatever you call it, it was loud. Although it's been a part of the Benjamin air-rifle lineup for decades, the company has continued . Thanks. Also, if you happen to scratch the black finish and brass shows though, a black sharpie marker hides it well (lets just say that my first attempt at removal involved more prying and hitting). Alabama!! It has already happened in other Crosman guns, so dont wait too long to get your gun. Benjamin 392 .22 caliber air rifle (retail $209.99) UTG True Hunter 3-940 Illuminated Reticle Scope with Rings (retail $114.97) Baker Airguns Benjamin One-Piece Scope Mount (retail $50.00) Benjamin Discovery .22 cal 14.3gr Hollowpoint Pellets (retail $14.99) Total Retail Value of $389.95, save $39.96 when you buy the Ready To Hunt Package! I do want to try out some of the round balls, but Beeman doesnt make them in 22 caliber. One at the butt and the other behind the fulcrum. Use one hand to hold firmly on the stock and use another hand to open the forearm all the way up until it stops. With the Benjamin, I can regulate the velocity of the gun for pest control and just plinking around when I need a break in the afternoon from staring at a computer monitor. Loosely holding the slope got me 3 and 14/16 inches as my best (average of 4 and 2/16 inches). At 15 yards, the groupings are tight, but always about 2 high. it just gets harder and harder to pump. They differ in some small ways, but caliber is the biggest. http://www.airguns.net/classifieds/classifieds.html. BB,Wow thanks for the quick reply. Is there a reason the peep sight is attached closer to the eye then the rear sight? I believe its Pyramyd Air26800 Fargo Avenue, Unit #LBedford Heights, OH 44146 but I am not sure. This posting is one of the all-time most popular ones and many like you have told us they love their 392 or 397. i ordered a c9 blue streak on sunday and was wandering if 20 cal is enough knock-down power at 30 yards with a well placed shot, also i have the 14.3gr cylindrical pellets. I had found them in a corner of a Sportsmans Club sports store. There's also a front fiber optic post sight. I know the 392 has a lot of loyal fans, but unfortunately, I wasnt pleased with it. I still dont like scopes on multi-pumps. Its larger than a full-sized centerfire deer rifle and takes some muscle to cock it. Just keep the distances and the size of the game reasonable. I cant wait to shoot it, but i dont have any pellets yet, so i pumped the gun once (yep, its a little hard to pump, and i cant use my left hand, severed the tendon couple months ago), and set it in the corner of my room. accuracy shouldnt be affected, but the velocity would change with the temp. The 3-9 will reach out farther with precision. The Beeman silver bears, crows mags took more effort to insert, and I didnt like the lead shavings they left in the breech area after pushing them home. Just by the performance of their pellets, and the look of their guns, Beeman seems to be great quality, is this a good gun? Hi, B.B. Would you give me a description of barrel dwell in regards to heavier pellets? what distance should i sight it in at? It was an awesome gun and always outperformed all the neighbors 0.177 Cal Crosman or Daisy guns. :) Anyway I was wondering do you think a 15 year old male could easily pump this gun. i am 14 years old and 51 and 106 poundsi currently have the daisy 880i would like to upgrade to either the 392 or the 22sgmoney is not an issue but i heard that the 392 is hard to pump nad wheny you mount a scope with the 4- piece intermounts, then it will be harder to pump because you cant get a good holdalso i heard that you need a long eye relief scopei have the daisy powerline 3x-9x 32mmscopewill this be good on the 392?or should i get the 22sgi mainly want to use it for plinking and hunting squirrels, possums, and feathered pestswhich gun should i get???thanks. I love the wood and i think it looks great! In its place, I ordered a Diana 48 in .22. Thats the air getting sucked in. (For more on the in-depth comparison between .22 and .25 caliber, see this post. Benjamin 392/397 Factory Rear Blade Sight Removal: All picture numbers are referenced to my Picasa photo album here: picasaweb.google.com/bsmoooth/Benjamin397. for al your help. Im going with premium domed pellets and look forward to sharing my experiences with all the neurotic airheads out there in cyber space. I didnt think there would be much difference between the 0.177 pellet from the Diana and the 0.218 pellet from the Benji, but I was wrong. I recommend wadcutters in this rifle Gamo Match are good. The picture they have on pyramid shows the scope positioned half way down the barrel which seems like it might be problematic with a short scope like this one. Alternatively you can skip that and go right to it by typin in this site /manual/benjamin-sheridan. The steroid is exactly as accurate as the stock gun. Ive got one on the radar, so Im pretty curious. Can you recommend a break-action .22 cal pellet gun for target/plinking and pest control that will readily accept a Williams peep sight if it does not already have a quality peep sight on it? Manual safety. Fortunately, airguns are sold by dealers like Pyramyd Air, but the combined volume of all airgun dealers is small compared to the big box stores. The rep. A 392/397 should be okay pumped up all the way for a day. I would give you some general references, but they are about firearms in general and you probably want books on sights, alone. I cant wait to get the premiers to see if they do better than the daisys (what do u think of the daisys?). The Bug Buster 2 works with most one-inch two-piece scope rings. Would using weblube cause any damage or would it just not work as well? Parallax between the Bug Buster is 4 power, the Bug Buster works. First go-round so i guess its between the sights and bore for this rifle the. 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