A later version added a red stripe along the lower edge of the locomotive bodyside. Great Britain (or just Britain) is the mainland of England, Scotland and Wales. In 1956 an all-over darker maroon, which more closely resembled the pre-nationalisation LMS livery, was re-introduced, except for the Southern Region, where locomotive-hauled stock was generally painted 'coaching stock' green (from July 1956-on) and a small number of express carriages on the Western Region which were in traditional GWR-style chocolate and cream. I think there would be huge advantages of a standard livery and branding across the Britain, in saving money and presenting a unified product to the customer. It's already been seen with the government controlled LNER and GWR franchises for example. Do you think we should use different colours for regions like we sort of have now, https://twitter.com/_doublearrow/status/1455113527954493474/photo/1. I reckon a simple logo like the one youve depicted will be what we see. Job done. The x-height of the lower-case lettering should be equal to the height of the horizontal arms in the symbol, so that the row of text appears to align with them. Still makes me cringe everytime I see/read 'Great' in front of anything British since this mob got in. And again, there may be scope to take back control of this. British Railways (BR), which from 1965 traded as British Rail, was a state-owned company that operated most of the overground rail transport in Great Britain from 1948 to 1997. Eastfield TMD staff near Glasgow also embellished a few examples of the class 37/0's allocated to the depot with a lower bodyside white stripe in the mid-80s but were told to stop doing it and repaint the ones they'd already done back to the standard blue livery by the BR hierarchy. Heh. Non-corridor coaching stock and other multiple units received all-over Rail Blue until about 1980, when most received the same blue/grey livery as corridor coaching stock. OK, it's not a big change, but Germany tends to do rebrandings very infrequently. One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. After contacting GBRTT (Transition Team), I have been informed of their intention to create a new livery. Rail Express Systems was the sector of British Rail responsible for transport of mail and parcels traffic. Avanti merged with LNWR to form a GNWR brand. As built it was a sort of purplish-red stripe with a lighter red shadow, then this changed to solid red in the late 90s/early 2000s. I have heard that the BR double arrows will remain in use due to the fact that in the UK everyone recognises it as the 'train station' symbol. The special saloons and a few other special coaches were also repainted in chocolate and cream but regular former GWR coaches carried maroon. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. For example, the Midland Railway abolished Second-class on 1 st . GBR will be made up of five regional divisions, organised in line with Network Rail's Putting Passengers First programme. Then why was the old version called British Railways, not Great British Railways, and why the change now for the new version if British Railways worked . There are conflicting view on Britain versus Great Britain. The United Kingdom is defined clearly on the passport .. the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. They retained this livery for some years, before being painted in Rail Blue when that became the norm. On the other hand Avanti's branding is awful - there is no "Italian flair" in it at all. And Great Britain is more often than not used to mean the whole of England/Scotland/Wales, excluding Northern Ireland - a legacy of the Kingdom of Great Britain, which existed from 1707 to 1800. Except their is massive nostalgia for BR days. The Class 309 units worked between Liverpool Street and Clacton, occasionally also to Ipswich and Norwich and later upon transfer saw the livery briefly appear around Manchester and Birmingham. You are using an out of date browser. The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and it's xenophobic, imperialist undertones me me want to vomit. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Not the terms I would have used but I see where you might get that impression. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. [citation needed]. The double arrow is still overused, though. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The Union Jack will represent. [4] One locomotive, Class 47 No.D1733, was painted to match the coaching stock. Great British Railways (GBR) is a planned state-owned public body that will oversee rail transport in Great Britain,[1] with the exception of Transport for London and Merseytravel services, and light rail and trams elsewhere in England. The new livery was used with the introduction of the Hastings Line electrification in 1986 to promote new electric trains on that line. [7], GBR will use a slightly modified British Rail Double Arrow and the Rail Alphabet 2 typeface for branding. Why does it need to look the part - what does nationalisation look like? I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago, Not at all. Clean, modern, easy to read, looks good and in the right colour set. Search for a trade mark - Intellectual Property Office (ipo.gov.uk), https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/912009372292780033, Somewhere along the West Anglia Main Line. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. This competition aimed to identify a place with a rich railway heritage, strong links to the national network and significant public support, while creating a great opportunity to promote the location as the proud home for the start of a new era in Britains railways. The old Northern signs worked well, but only Metro/WYCA really got behind the co-branding opportunities, that I saw. I think you are mixing up ownership with some form of ideological uniformity. It isnt hard to believe that there may be some truth to the suggestion that Johnson would be less cavalier in his treatment of Ulster if it returned even a handful of Government MPs. The first Class 31 entered service in November . Which does what it says on the tin. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Im unsure about the livery as such, but if Great British Railways is taken forward, Id expect GBR to feature. I wonder if you could make a hybrid of the two? However, these bodies will be required to coordinate with GBR to deliver a single national rail network, including one website and app, as well as following national branding and passenger standards. for some form of co-branding. Variants where the band was blue (outer suburban) or green (inner suburban) instead of orange were planned, but never implemented.[15]. The name is still awful though and far too long. Originally a trading brand of the Railway Executive of the British Transport . But the point is that effort has gone into developing a brand and what it stands for, it isn't just harking back to the awful 1970s, a time people seem to be seeing with a large pair of rose tinted spectacles. There's rather a lot to list if you want to do it completely! The old Northern signs worked well, but only Metro/WYCA really got behind the co-branding opportunities, that I saw. Class 14s D9537 (in desert sand livery) and D9539 prepare a double-head a train on the Ribble Steam Railway. Introduced in 1965, and also known as "Monastral Blue", the colour was defined by British Rail standards BR28/6001 (Airless spray finish) and BR28/5321 (Brush finish). And other European countries cope with DB trains in France, SNCF trains in Germany etc. From July 1956 the Southern Region began using a 'coaching stock' green that was somewhat darker than the malachite green colour of the old Southern Railway and this extended to former Southern vehicles as well as Mk1 stock. GW 1 1 Great British Railways It does affect other devolved rail operators, including ScotRail, Transport for Wales, London Overground, Elizabeth line (Crossrail), and Merseyrail, as well as the combined authorities that oversee other local railway networks in England. Following the introduction of the Advanced Passenger Train in 1983, a similar livery to the APT's (dark grey on the upper body, and light beige on the lower, with two stripes of red and white separating them) was experimentally applied to two HST sets and the coaches operating the Gatwick Express service between London Victoria and Gatwick Airport. The whole GBR thing is complicated as you have ScotRail and TfW already as separate brands that won't change, yet using "Rail England" or whatever is going to provoke outrage where services run by "English" operators go into Scotland and Wales (which rather ignores the same the other way round!). London Midland (pre LNR), that was white on black but the same idea. The white paper does not specify whether the branding of devolved railways such as London Overground and Merseyrail will be affected.[7]. The first and second MKC signs are pretty classy and look good. The livery comprised brown upper panels with a colour described variously as "biscuit" or "fawn" along the lower panels and separated by a broad orange band. GBR will develop masterplans for station renewal. Plus what is one persons opinion of a great livery will be different to the next. But do we really want to go back to that? I really quite like that now. A bit like this but without the fuzzy outline on the text and double arrow (caused by MS Paint's paint bucket tool): Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I had a play around with this, and I agree, it looks. 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Something timeless. The livery was applied only to some Class 309 "Clacton" units on the former Eastern Region and to a few of Classes 411 (4Cep), 419 (MLV) and 421 (4Cig) on the former Southern Region. [14] By 16 March (the deadline for submitting expressions of interest), 42 towns and cities had expressed an interest in hosting GBR's headquarters. If they're bothered about 'red white and blue" then just stick the double arrow in a white background and give it a blue border. English regions, Scotland, and Wales will have their own variants, but these will still emphasise the national nature of GBR. Great Western Railways/British Railway Western Region. The text won't be centred vertically with the logo. Steam locomotive 61306 Mayflower seen just outside Sittingbourne, Kent at lunchtime today. This may well take time to introduce and rollout but my suggestion is as follows. The current lot is an absolute mess. Now there's a system others can look up to. Incorrect: Britain and Great Britain are synonymous, referring to either the largest island of the British Isles (in a geographical context) or the countries of England, Scotland and Wales (in a political context). This included many of the features which were later incorporated in the Mark 2, and trialled in an experimental train designated XP64. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; It really wouldn't. The Southern Region types worked mostly on the Charing Cross / Cannon Street - Hastings via Battle / Dover and Ramsgate routes and on the Victoria / London Bridge - Brighton / Littlehampton / Hastings via Eastbourne routes. [2] It was a dark, greyish blue tone which hid the effects of dirt well. Managed to get a look at a new proposed one: But my point is that DB have had the same basic livery for so long. Blue Pullman in grey and blue livery arriving at Bristol Temple Meads in 1973. And the more I see RA2 and its symbols, the more clumsy it looks. 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